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#119: Emcee of Thanksgiving

December 12th, 2019 · 101 minutes

Things kick off with a review of Thanksgiving results that quickly swerves into a deep dive on hotels. Why is Merlin obsessed with this one Marriott in Gold Country, and how come John avoids bunking with roommates?

Then, there's a swerve back to the holiday of gratitude, and the boys envision a world in which you won't get anywhere near the tu…

#118: THAT's the Star Wars!

November 27th, 2019 · 114 minutes

Things kick off with a check-in on Watchmen. Is John feeling more confident about it? There are MacGuffins inside of MacGuffins. John is still enjoying the Apple TV+ shows, and Merlin thinks expectation deflation can really work in your favor. John didn't remember that Jennifer Aniston was in Office Space.

In a related mini-topic, Merlin wa…

#117: That’s Not the Rigatoni

November 14th, 2019 · 113 minutes

Things kick off with some quick Macintosh and video game nostalgia. John redrew his sprites, and Merlin enjoyed some stolen pinball. Merlin did lots of work this week. Your hosts discuss Sayonara Wild Hearts in particular and Apple Arcade in general.

Merlin's family recently rented a very large automobile, and its various interfaces are revie…

#116: Brown Sludge Water

October 31st, 2019 · 103 minutes

John opens with some follow-up questions, and Merlin realizes it's going to be one of those episodes. John calls out Merlin's racism against his people. Both your hosts are now living the arms-free lifestyle.

Merlin has follow-up on his ongoing Siri and Apple TV experiment, and, improbably, this leads to further discussion of Cupertino's frus…

#115: Rational Twilight

October 16th, 2019 · 99 minutes

John has some questions about productivity, and Merlin has realized the new dragon is an attractive nuisance.

Merlin has questions about his costly new chair, and John offers some further arm removal encouragement. John's flying monkeys chime in, and Merlin gets a reference in one. Merlin's family watches some Star Trek, and technical drawin…

#114: Confronted with a Jar

October 3rd, 2019 · 81 minutes

Thanks to everyone who pitched in to raise money for St. Jude!

Your hosts talk about playing Apple Arcade games with a PS4 controller, and Merlin wants to hear John's take on the new Apple TV app functionality. John doesn't want anything to screw up his place, and Merlin never wants to watch something with the Starz app. Believe it or not, this…

#113: Ambient Pleasure Generator

September 19th, 2019 · 96 minutes

Things kick into gear fast as John interrogates Merlin about his weird reaction to the recent Apple event. Why all the Charlie Brown? John has calibrated his expectations for these things, but Merlin still struggles to articulate what felt so off this time. Maybe it's just not understanding the profile for the Apple customer any more, but who know…

#112: Here Comes the But

September 5th, 2019 · 104 minutes

After some opening remarks, your hosts reveal the very special guest for their forthcoming member episode. They also invite you to please help Relay with a really cool project to benefit an excellent cause.

Merlin has some follow-up on his Apple TV, and John wants to understand …

#111: Brackets Around the Brackets

August 21st, 2019 · 97 minutes

John wants to take another shot at promoting Relay dot fm, and Merlin admits a shame. In follow-up, John has an update on Millennium Actress. As you know, Satoshi Kon is not the bitcoin guy. Listener response about cast iron skillets was huge.

Merlin has updates on his Apple TV, and John has trouble understanding Merlin's beta obsession. Unsu…

#110: Five Dollars in a Bar of Soap

August 8th, 2019 · 108 minutes

This week kicks off with a critique of Merlin's new haircut and eyeglasses. Also, Happy Birthday to Relay dot fm.

John's recommendation of a movie viewing option is very quickly withdrawn, but then he has an even better recommendation.

Next up, your hosts talk about John's experience with opening his Twitter DMs. This leads to a discussion o…