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#115: Rational Twilight

October 16th, 2019 · 99 minutes

John has some questions about productivity, and Merlin has realized the new dragon is an attractive nuisance.

Merlin has questions about his costly new chair, and John offers some further arm removal encouragement. John's flying monkeys chime in, and Merlin gets a reference in one. Merlin's family watches some Star Trek, and technical drawin…

#114: Confronted with a Jar

October 3rd, 2019 · 81 minutes

Thanks to everyone who pitched in to raise money for St. Jude!

Your hosts talk about playing Apple Arcade games with a PS4 controller, and Merlin wants to hear John's take on the new Apple TV app functionality. John doesn't want anything to screw up his place, and Merlin never wants to watch something with the Starz app. Believe it or not, this…

#113: Ambient Pleasure Generator

September 19th, 2019 · 96 minutes

Things kick into gear fast as John interrogates Merlin about his weird reaction to the recent Apple event. Why all the Charlie Brown? John has calibrated his expectations for these things, but Merlin still struggles to articulate what felt so off this time. Maybe it's just not understanding the profile for the Apple customer any more, but who know…

#112: Here Comes the But

September 5th, 2019 · 104 minutes

After some opening remarks, your hosts reveal the very special guest for their forthcoming member episode. They also invite you to please help Relay with a really cool project to benefit an excellent cause.

Merlin has some follow-up on his Apple TV, and John wants to understand …

#111: Brackets Around the Brackets

August 21st, 2019 · 97 minutes

John wants to take another shot at promoting Relay dot fm, and Merlin admits a shame. In follow-up, John has an update on Millennium Actress. As you know, Satoshi Kon is not the bitcoin guy. Listener response about cast iron skillets was huge.

Merlin has updates on his Apple TV, and John has trouble understanding Merlin's beta obsession. Unsu…

#110: Five Dollars in a Bar of Soap

August 8th, 2019 · 108 minutes

This week kicks off with a critique of Merlin's new haircut and eyeglasses. Also, Happy Birthday to Relay dot fm.

John's recommendation of a movie viewing option is very quickly withdrawn, but then he has an even better recommendation.

Next up, your hosts talk about John's experience with opening his Twitter DMs. This leads to a discussion o…

#109: My Self-Hypnosis Period

July 25th, 2019 · 97 minutes

This week kicks off with John quizzing Merlin about his vacation results. After the usual quibbling about terminology, Merlin confesses to being terrible at travel. John thinks vacations don't have to be fun for everybody all the time, but Merlin feels like he was definitely a drag. Can't we just have a plan? If you want ice cream, just put it…

#108: Next Week is Now

July 10th, 2019 · 98 minutes

Merlin is not mentally-prepared, but John reminds him that preparedness is an illusion. Or is it? The boys try to remember quotes from The Godfather. Sally is a cool name.

Your hosts discuss what happens when your friends have different taste in movies, and then you have to listen to them talk about it on a podcast. I mean, who doesn't like _…

#107: Aren't We a Pair?

June 27th, 2019 · 112 minutes

This week kicks off with John iteerogating Merlin's authentic Italiano recipe for baked ziti. Merlin says it's a hit with his family, but John has a lot of problems with the ingredients. Not least the yogurt. John has a much simpler approach, but Merlin is anxious about stirring the sauce.

Sometimes, recipes come with very long anecdotes, and…

#106: Tales from the Elder Days

June 12th, 2019 · 93 minutes

This week kicks off with Merlin doing John's bit. Merlin has a new ATP shirt but hasn't earned it yet. Your hosts disagree on which of them has the worse taste and sense of humor. Merlin gender-swaps his face and sends it to John, and this leads to a discussion of hairs. John has some information on genes and earwax. The history of product packagi…