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This week, John and Merlin finally set themselves to the task of beginning to argue about their differences.

#2: Thrown to the Wolves of Puberty

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John and Merlin discuss the origins of the show, including their contrasting approaches to authority, conformity, and contrariness.

Also, Merlin credits John with helping him become less horrible, and John deposes Merlin about military school.

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In this inaugural episode, John and Merlin begin framing the conversation on exactly how they got how they are.

From the dungeons of Usenet to the dragons of roving bullies, origins are explored, and differences are provisionally reconciled.